A friend of a friend just posted a link to an article with the comment, "
D: Zionist racism -- a redundancy? -- is rarely confronted with such eloquence
agree. I'm terrible. All I keep thinking is that I'm tired being called
all these stupid names because I basically exist. I've been really
quiet about this whole debacle for that reason. I'm glad there are
people who are much more level-headed than I am.
just had an extended e-kerfuffle with a prominent "liberal" film
scholar. The guy finally showed himself as a racist, claiming that the
UN had been bought by Arab money. This profound neurosis runs deeper
every day. It must be confronted, which I usually do by calling my
interlocutor a twat.
D: We're about to nuke Iran and few people care..
M: If the UN had been bought by Arab money, the UN is sure doing a crappy job keeping up their part of the bargain, no?
appaling, this whole thing - I'm kind of surprised the MTA allowed
these to be posted - I understand the free speech issue at play in all
of this, but these are just plain horrible. Would the MTA let the
Westboro Church post an ad, too then?
M: I do wonder if we really are gonna nuke Iran... the US has been threatening it for years now.
the MTA had been fighting it for a while, and originally told the
organization that they couldn't go up. It got taken to court and, in the
words of the MTA spokesperson, "their hands are tied."
ads are vile. I say this as a human secularist, as an American, and as a
person of Jewish descent. There is nothing in them I can agree with or
support. Yes, they absolutely have
the right to say it, but freedom of expression is not freedom of
consequence of expression. This is the very wrongest way to have this
conversation. I agree that we owe ourselves, future generations and
America a chance to have this conversation in a meaningful and hate-free
I agree with the right to free speech and that the ads are
inflammatory, I have a very big problem with a basis of her article. Ms.
Sarsour wrote, "Geller elaborated that there
is no Palestine – a view not held by most Americans." Whether or not
most Americans hold the view that there is a place called "Palestine,"
the fact is-- there hasn't been since 1948, when the British Mandate of
Palestine ended. Just because many people believe something does not
make it true-- the world isn't flat, is it?
friend's father can correctly say he was born in Palestine-- indeed, he
was, when the area he was born in was under the British Mandate of
Palestine. No one born since May 14, 1948, can say that he or she was
born in Palestine, nor can he/she claim to be a Palestinian-- can anyone
born in Massachusetts claim to be British, because at one time
Massachusetts was a British colony? No, because the British colony of
Massachusetts no longer exists.
was stolen via terrorist acts -- ask Rahm Emanuel's daddy, a former
Irgun terrorist who shot babies. So you have old folks walking around
with keys to their now bulldozed homes. Telling them to wake up and smell the coffee is just plain immoral. There are UN resolutions that call it illegal, too.
[note: D combined and deleted some of his original comments; each new comment is marked with a "-." the original of this was:
-Palestine was stolen via terrorist acts -- ask Rahm Emanuel's daddy, a former Irgun terrorist who shot babies.
-And so you have old folks walking around with keys to their now
bulldozed homes. Telling them to wake up and smell the coffee is just
-There are UN resolutions that call it illegal, too.
-Marek Edelman fought Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto and, as a
Universalist, claimed the PLO had a right to fight against Zionist
-This issue ain't going away. Thank goodness for Israeli youth -- they're moving Left.]
Me: There are lots of individuals that I can name who have argues on both sides, regardless of the issue.
In terms of infants-- would you like me to start naming the babies who have been killed in terror attacks? This
was not meant to turn into a pissing contest of who has done more wrong
to who and who is more in the right. I brought up a historical fact,
and you turned it into "Here are examples of the bad Zionists who stole
Palestine." I agree that there was a place called Palestine, however I
also state that it no longer exists. Simply having existed once upon a
time does not make something exist at this moment. To go back to my
earlier example-- what about the British colonies that no longer exist
as British colonies? Can I, having born in an area that at one time was
under British rule, claim British nationality? Or if I was born in
Turkey, can I claim to be Ottoman?
what do you say to and about people like me, my husband, and the other
medic on duty two nights ago who, when we got a call to an Arab village
for injured people, got out of our nice warm beds and in the middle of
the night went to take them to the hospital? The Red Crescent was
supposed to take them (there is a Red Crescent ambulance station in that
area, by the way) and didn't show up until 20 minutes after we got
there (in our defense, we wanted to take whoever we could asap-- the
patients wanted to wait for the Red Crescent, and then decided to go
with us). We took those patients to the hospital of their choice. And
when they got there and saw that there was no doctor on duty (don't ask
me why), they decided they wanted to go to another hospital. And we took
don't only thank goodness for Israeli youth-- thank goodness for the
people who don't care if their patients are Muslim, Christian, Jewish,
Arab, Israeli, or anything else and treat them regardless. (you do know
that homicide bombers and terrorists get treated as well, right?)
- that's really unfortunate, Margo. I guess it's nice to know the MTA
tried...still doesn't really make it any better, though. I wish people
didn't feel the need to resort to
hateful name calling in subway advertisements as opposed to, well, an
actual discussion. These kind of reactions harken back to New York a
century ago, when instead of Palestinians, it was Italians and Irish...
[D posted and deleted the following comments; again, each new comment is marked by a "-":
-Lauren: you have a bizarre perspective. Operation Cast Lead? if
you think the casualties on the Israeli side come anywhere near to the
number o Palestinian dead, then you are, sorry, wrong.
-Your rage is irrelevant.]
I'm going to stop this now not because I don't have what to say or
don't have facts to back what I say up, but because it's just going to
turn into something ugly and hateful.
have your opinion and viewpoint, I have mine, and neither of us are
going to change the other's. So let's just stop, because this is not
helping any progress.
you have a bizarre perspective. Operation Cast Lead? if you think the
casualties on the Israeli side come anywhere near to the number o
Palestinian dead, then you are, sorry,
wrong. Your rage is irrelevant. People are tired of filtering
discussions about war crimes through Jewish sensitivity. Be sensitive,
be angry, be self-righteous. The occupation is going to end with or
without your help. Israel is in the driver's seat, as the fourth most
powerful military presence on Planet Earth. The idea of symmetrical
responsibility is a fetid lie. Americans are sick of spending $10M per
day on the longest-running occupation in the world. And, yes, young
people in Israel are joining enormous protests against their government
-- I'm with them.